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This is a list of common myths and misconceptions about feminism.
* they like men
 
   
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== On feminism ==
* they are being opressed
 
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;"The aim of feminism is to make women the dominant gender"
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Feminism aims to eradicate oppression of genders imposed by old "patriarchal" societies. Feminism does not aim to create new oppression.
   
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;"Feminism only fights for the rights of [straight cis] women"
* they are as strong as men
 
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<blockquote>My feminism will be intersectional, or it will be bullshit. --Flavia Dzodan</blockquote>
   
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;"Feminism is simply sexism against men"
* they are equal to the man
 
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See [[reverse sexism]].
   
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<!---;"True feminism is over"
* they dont like dick in their ass
 
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;"Feminism is going too far"
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;"Feminism ignores men's issues"
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Feminism suggested that the issues of women, men, and the other genders are not separate entities, but stem all from the same system of inequality.
   
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For instance, some feminist positions directly advantage men. For example, feminists are against:
* they like dick
 
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* '''male-only draft''', which is based on the notion that women be inherently too emotional/mentally unstable/unsuited for strict discipline (etc) for military work.
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* '''children custody being preferentially given to the mother,''' which is based on the notion that women be inherently more capable and willing to care for their children, and thus the better choice for a primary caregiver as default.
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* '''abuse of men for "failing" at masculinity''': based on the notion that to be unmasculine is to be feminine, and that to be feminine is to be inferior -- see [[toxic masculinity]]
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* '''men always paying for dinner''': based on the notion that the man would by default be the bigger earner, and thus should pay as an expression of good-will<ref>Note: this practise is already a dead tradition, or dying, in parts of the world such as in the Nordic countries.</ref>. (Fortunately not a huge pressing issue in human rights.)
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"'''Feminism would be invalid if it only focused on women."'''
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The truth is, even if feminism had nothing to say regarding men, but rather concentrated solely on making the world a more welcoming place for women and girls, that goal would still make for a completely noble and valid movement.
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== On sexism ==
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;"Sexism means discrimination based on sex/gender."
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That's what the dictionary says.
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;"Women can't be sexist"
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Women can be sexist, and often subconsciously are due to having grown up in a culture where [[Patriarchal bargain|conforming to the situation]] is commonplace, more beneficial than rebelling against status quo, and seems "right" and "natural".
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;"Feminists can't be sexist"
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Identifying as a feminist only requires that one is committed to the idea that people should be treated as people, with respect and basic decency, regardless of gender. It usually indicates the person is aware of some levels and forms of systematic oppression of non-male genders, but does not in any way guarantee that they be so thoroughly aware of their deeply ingrained thought and behavior patterns that they could avoid every and all types of sexist behaviour.
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;"I haven't witnessed any sexism, therefore it's a figment of imagination."
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Are you sure? You've never witnessed, or heard about a situation, where...
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* a woman was shamed for her sexuality
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* a guy thought that a sexy cosplay was an [[assumed invitation|open invitation]]?
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* a woman raising her voice was dismissed as [[Appeal to PMS|PMS-having]]?
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* a woman was attacked verbally for not playing along with uninvited sexual attention ("get the sand out of your pussy", "you think you're too good for me?")
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* a woman used an "I have a boyfriend" excuse to get rid of unwanted advances
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* discussion on a rape case was focused on how the [[victim blaming|victim brought the assault to themselves]]
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* a man was ridiculed or abused for behaviour or interests generally considered feminine or homosexual (read: feminine)
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* female bodies were used to market a product or a service completely unrelated to female bodies?
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== On feminists ==
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;"Feminists are just angry because they can't get laid/boyfriends"
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Feminists are angry because whether they are having sex or relationships (or "good enough" to be having such) is considered relevant measure of their value as a human being.
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;"Feminists are fat/ugly/hairy/lesbians/etc"
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All sorts of women (and men!) can be and are feminists. Feminism is opposed to the notion that the degree to which a woman fulfils the interests of straight men (being attractive, accommodating, sexually available, etc) should be considered the measure of their value as a human being.
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;"Feminists have no sense of humour"
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Being opposed to sexist and otherwise marginalizing jokes does not indicate how and to what degree one enjoys other type of humour.
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;"Feminists hate sex"
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Feminists hate the fact that women are subject to requirements of being sexy (read: appealing to the average heterosexual male) and flirtatious (read: happily accepting of random commentary of her appearance and behaviour), but also expected to not be slutty (read: "too" openly/happily/frequently sexual), but also expected to not be a prude (read: keeping their sexuality and sexual appeal out of the public).
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Feminists also hate the fact that in media, a woman's role has been reduced to that of sexually appealing decoration to the eyes of the average heterosexual viewer.
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Feminists believe in bodily autnomy, which includes a person's right to dislike sex if they so choose, without having to answer for it as a way of defending feminism.
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;"Feminists think all men are rapists"
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No. This argument is probably linked to [[Schrödinger's Rapist]], a concept which describes a world of fear, one where a woman ''cannot safely assume'' the men she meets in her everyday life to be not rapists. It describes a world where a woman must have a plan to travel the world, meet new people, and always be ready to escape and/or defend herself, should one of those people turn out to be a rapist. It does not describe a world where every man is a rapist just waiting for a chance.
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Also, the idea that men are unable to control their sexuality (and so it is women that have to protect themselves and guard their sexuality) is inherently sexist and against what feminism stands for.
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;"Feminists think all sex is rape"
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# -- you misunderstood something profoundly, or
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# -- you swallowed a [[Straw-feminist]] argument, or
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# -- you encountered a person with extremely radical views that certainly do not reflect the views of the vast majority of feminists. Most likely this person was a troll trying to get taken as a real feminist.
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== "I believe in gender equality, but I'm not a feminist" ==
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Whoever believes (and wants to promote) equality between genders is a feminist by definition.<ref>This statement assumes that no males are suppressed, which is wrong. When guys (which on average tend to have worse marks than girls) cry for a balancing of the grading system, they do not need to be feminist, since they do not "define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for '''women'''.". When guys in Physical Education class want girls marked the same way, this is not feminist, they want institutional gender equality, without fighting for female rights. Yes i am a guy making this addition, but please edit this part of the article to include point as well, or explain why it is not valid.</ref> See below for specific cases.
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;"...because I don't want to divorce my spouse."
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Many feminists would encourage women to break up from unhappy relationships, some may even oppose prevailing inequalities in the modern marriage institution, but one would be hard-pressed to find a feminist who would require anyone to break up from a happy relationship.
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;"...because I don't have anything against men in general."
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Feminism isn't against men, it's against the system of oppression against genders other than men.
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;"...because I ''like'' being pretty and feminine."
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Feminism fights for women's [[choice]] to be pretty and feminine if they want so -- and against the prevailing [[body shaming]] and [[sexism]] in out culture that ''expects'' all women to conform to certain standards of appearance and femininity in order to [[respectability politics|"qualify" for respect]].
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;"...because I don't want men and women to be the same."
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Equality does not mean sameness. Feminism fights for a world where anyone is free to be as they like without being shamed or abused for their choices.
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== Footnotes ==
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<references/>
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[[Category:Issues]]
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[[Category:Resources]]
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[[Category:Lists]]

Latest revision as of 18:19, 3 May 2016

This is a list of common myths and misconceptions about feminism.

On feminism

"The aim of feminism is to make women the dominant gender"

Feminism aims to eradicate oppression of genders imposed by old "patriarchal" societies. Feminism does not aim to create new oppression.

"Feminism only fights for the rights of [straight cis] women"

My feminism will be intersectional, or it will be bullshit. --Flavia Dzodan

"Feminism is simply sexism against men"

See reverse sexism.

"Feminism ignores men's issues"

Feminism suggested that the issues of women, men, and the other genders are not separate entities, but stem all from the same system of inequality.

For instance, some feminist positions directly advantage men. For example, feminists are against:

  • male-only draft, which is based on the notion that women be inherently too emotional/mentally unstable/unsuited for strict discipline (etc) for military work.
  • children custody being preferentially given to the mother, which is based on the notion that women be inherently more capable and willing to care for their children, and thus the better choice for a primary caregiver as default.
  • abuse of men for "failing" at masculinity: based on the notion that to be unmasculine is to be feminine, and that to be feminine is to be inferior -- see toxic masculinity
  • men always paying for dinner: based on the notion that the man would by default be the bigger earner, and thus should pay as an expression of good-will[1]. (Fortunately not a huge pressing issue in human rights.)

"Feminism would be invalid if it only focused on women."

The truth is, even if feminism had nothing to say regarding men, but rather concentrated solely on making the world a more welcoming place for women and girls, that goal would still make for a completely noble and valid movement.

On sexism

"Sexism means discrimination based on sex/gender."

That's what the dictionary says.

"Women can't be sexist"

Women can be sexist, and often subconsciously are due to having grown up in a culture where conforming to the situation is commonplace, more beneficial than rebelling against status quo, and seems "right" and "natural".

"Feminists can't be sexist"

Identifying as a feminist only requires that one is committed to the idea that people should be treated as people, with respect and basic decency, regardless of gender. It usually indicates the person is aware of some levels and forms of systematic oppression of non-male genders, but does not in any way guarantee that they be so thoroughly aware of their deeply ingrained thought and behavior patterns that they could avoid every and all types of sexist behaviour.

"I haven't witnessed any sexism, therefore it's a figment of imagination."

Are you sure? You've never witnessed, or heard about a situation, where...

  • a woman was shamed for her sexuality
  • a guy thought that a sexy cosplay was an open invitation?
  • a woman raising her voice was dismissed as PMS-having?
  • a woman was attacked verbally for not playing along with uninvited sexual attention ("get the sand out of your pussy", "you think you're too good for me?")
  • a woman used an "I have a boyfriend" excuse to get rid of unwanted advances
  • discussion on a rape case was focused on how the victim brought the assault to themselves
  • a man was ridiculed or abused for behaviour or interests generally considered feminine or homosexual (read: feminine)
  • female bodies were used to market a product or a service completely unrelated to female bodies?

On feminists

"Feminists are just angry because they can't get laid/boyfriends"

Feminists are angry because whether they are having sex or relationships (or "good enough" to be having such) is considered relevant measure of their value as a human being.

"Feminists are fat/ugly/hairy/lesbians/etc"

All sorts of women (and men!) can be and are feminists. Feminism is opposed to the notion that the degree to which a woman fulfils the interests of straight men (being attractive, accommodating, sexually available, etc) should be considered the measure of their value as a human being.

"Feminists have no sense of humour"

Being opposed to sexist and otherwise marginalizing jokes does not indicate how and to what degree one enjoys other type of humour.

"Feminists hate sex"

Feminists hate the fact that women are subject to requirements of being sexy (read: appealing to the average heterosexual male) and flirtatious (read: happily accepting of random commentary of her appearance and behaviour), but also expected to not be slutty (read: "too" openly/happily/frequently sexual), but also expected to not be a prude (read: keeping their sexuality and sexual appeal out of the public).

Feminists also hate the fact that in media, a woman's role has been reduced to that of sexually appealing decoration to the eyes of the average heterosexual viewer.

Feminists believe in bodily autnomy, which includes a person's right to dislike sex if they so choose, without having to answer for it as a way of defending feminism.

"Feminists think all men are rapists"

No. This argument is probably linked to Schrödinger's Rapist, a concept which describes a world of fear, one where a woman cannot safely assume the men she meets in her everyday life to be not rapists. It describes a world where a woman must have a plan to travel the world, meet new people, and always be ready to escape and/or defend herself, should one of those people turn out to be a rapist. It does not describe a world where every man is a rapist just waiting for a chance.

Also, the idea that men are unable to control their sexuality (and so it is women that have to protect themselves and guard their sexuality) is inherently sexist and against what feminism stands for.

"Feminists think all sex is rape"
  1. -- you misunderstood something profoundly, or
  2. -- you swallowed a Straw-feminist argument, or
  3. -- you encountered a person with extremely radical views that certainly do not reflect the views of the vast majority of feminists. Most likely this person was a troll trying to get taken as a real feminist.

"I believe in gender equality, but I'm not a feminist"

Whoever believes (and wants to promote) equality between genders is a feminist by definition.[2] See below for specific cases.

"...because I don't want to divorce my spouse."

Many feminists would encourage women to break up from unhappy relationships, some may even oppose prevailing inequalities in the modern marriage institution, but one would be hard-pressed to find a feminist who would require anyone to break up from a happy relationship.

"...because I don't have anything against men in general."

Feminism isn't against men, it's against the system of oppression against genders other than men.

"...because I like being pretty and feminine."

Feminism fights for women's choice to be pretty and feminine if they want so -- and against the prevailing body shaming and sexism in out culture that expects all women to conform to certain standards of appearance and femininity in order to "qualify" for respect.

"...because I don't want men and women to be the same."

Equality does not mean sameness. Feminism fights for a world where anyone is free to be as they like without being shamed or abused for their choices.

Footnotes

  1. Note: this practise is already a dead tradition, or dying, in parts of the world such as in the Nordic countries.
  2. This statement assumes that no males are suppressed, which is wrong. When guys (which on average tend to have worse marks than girls) cry for a balancing of the grading system, they do not need to be feminist, since they do not "define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women.". When guys in Physical Education class want girls marked the same way, this is not feminist, they want institutional gender equality, without fighting for female rights. Yes i am a guy making this addition, but please edit this part of the article to include point as well, or explain why it is not valid.